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The Real Biz Life Chronicles
Unedited stories of Business, Branding and Life.
Banish boring as Tracy Fryer and her guests take a ride on the rollercoaster of being a business owner - or of simply being human! Get ready to learn exactly what it takes to grow with distinction and show mediocrity the middle finger. In this podcast Tracy interview’s authentic business owners, who share their story of building a successful business, their strategies behind their success and leading the way.
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The Real Biz Life Chronicles
#076 Listening & Leadership with John Clegg
What if the greatest skill in leadership isn’t making decisions, but listening deeply enough to make the right ones?
In this episode of The Real Biz Life Chronicles, I sit down with John Clegg, chartered accountant turned advisor, mentor, board member, and strategic mind behind some of WA’s most future-focused companies.
John has worked across government, corporate, and small business sectors. He’s seen leadership done well and painfully wrong. In this conversation, we discuss the decisions that define us, how to simplify the complex, and the unexpected power of kindness in business.
From surviving shark-infested waters at age six to navigating high-stakes career changes, John’s journey is filled with perspective, poise, and practical wisdom.
If you’re a business owner trying to make calm, clear decisions when the pressure’s high, this one’s for you.
Specifically, John shares:
[03:27] The surprising story that led him to Remsense and drone tech
[10:16] A life lesson from walking backwards into a shark pond
[14:45] Why he left a prestigious partnership to build something with meaning
[20:27] The one leadership trait that works across every industry
[25:15] Why coaching and mentoring are misunderstood
[29:58] How John defines a “good decision” when pressure is on
[32:41] His go-to strategy for handling overwhelm
[40:44] How to protect your marriage and mental focus while growing a business
[45:45] When to build a board and why waiting is a mistake
[54:43] How John finds composure during tough moments
Mentioned in This Episode:
[36:29] Letting go of a failing business, without destroying the friendship
[1:01:50] The power of creativity when logic hits its limit
[1:05:06] Why kindness is rarely seen as a leadership strategy, but should be
About John Clegg:
John Clegg is a calm, strategic voice in an increasingly noisy business world. With deep experience across financial services, government, and emerging tech, John supports leaders through transition, decision-making, and meaningful growth. He currently works with Remsense and serves as an advisor to several high-performing teams and boards.
Connect with John: LinkedIn
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About Tracy: Tracy Fryer is a branding powerhouse, speaker, and founder of Design Studio Perth and Trace Designs Bespoke. She’s dedicated to helping business owners and creatives build brands that truly reflect their values, passions, and long-term vision. As the host of The Real Biz Life Chronicles, Tracy brings raw, insightful conversations that push entrepreneurs to embrace bold growth, develop strategic branding, and lead with unapologetic confidence. Her approach is refreshingly real—blending deep expertise with a passion for authenticity, creative excellence, and business success.
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